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Greece was a fluke case. Germnay has been consistent. 3 world cup and 3 european cup champions. Pedigreeeee....

Spain needs a few more years to reach Germany's standard.

One gunner will make a difference. Although I hope its fabregas, i think he will be Lehmann.

Wow, things are heating up...

Ballack has never won a big title in the last 4 finals he is involved in.... while Spain has not won a major trophy in 44 years.

Who is more desperate?
????? Tough call....???

I heard that ballack may not play because of injury , but i hope he will play

Horvat wrote:

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I heard that ballack may not play because of injury:( , but i hope he will play

yes, Ballack is dude for the match... i would like Ballack play too

wmgooner wrote:

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Greece was a fluke case. Germnay has been consistent. 3 world cup and 3 european cup champions. Pedigreeeee....

Spain needs a few more years to reach Germany's standard.

One gunner will make a difference. Although I hope its fabregas, i think he will be Lehmann.

how many world cups and how many european cups winning the players who will play today?
the only diference is the name of the teams, Germany and Spain...
with the name, no tittles you win....

Spain needs time to win all Germany won, yes, i dont dude and i dont know if we will win all their tittles but now a day, football its in an history point that any team could win any team...if not, questions to Holland (lose by the experience of Rusia?), or to Italy (lose for the experience of Spain?) or to France (lose by the experience of Romania?) and to nationals teams who are not in EURO...i remember Scotland nearly stay in EURO by France or Italy.

very years ago, the experience and the native football from Germany, URSS, England, Italy or France done that play good or bad, ever you win, but now a day teams as Romania, Bulgaria, Sweeden, Croatia, Turkey can win any team...why not Spain?

Spain never do anything? YES...Spain is a cinderella in a big matches? YES... Spain now a day have better team as Germany? YES, and never we have... the only reason Germany is favourite is their name? YES... this is a reason for say that they are going to win? NO...

haha...a debate is being held...

I admit that Spain has very good players like Fabregas, Senna, Casillas, Ramos and Puyol.

..but I still believe Germany will win.
There are some players in Germany who can change the match result immediately, like Ballack and Schweinsteiger...

LittleTT wrote:

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There are some players in Germany who can change the match result immediately, like Ballack and Schweinsteiger...

Spain havent got this kind of players?

and yes, i like the discussions of football!!!

Yes.. I know Spain also gets...

Puyol and machena's defense is not currently in top form..
I think Martesacker and Metzelder's defense is better and that of Spain...

LittleTT wrote:

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Yes.. I know Spain also gets...

Puyol and machena's defense is not currently in top form..
I think Martesacker and Metzelder's defense is better and that of Spain...

yes, german defense is better than spanish defense. but i would like how they play when Torres and Fabregas stay in front of them.

i think Spanish defense will be more good if Ramos stay in the center and not in the band.

yes..4-5-1 formation is better for Spain..with Torres as lone striker and Fabregas as Att. midfielder...